iamwhoiamandidontgiveadamn:
I am an introvert. I love to watch the interactions between people and I stay out of them as much as possible because I dont fully understand how I’m supposed to act. So I watch, listen, and I think. And honestly….
I’ve bloody fucking had it with the “radical” internet “community”.
There are two…
No flames from this quarter; you make some good points in here. The central arguments you seem to be getting at are “Oppression Olympics are bad” and “being a radical doesn’t give a pass on pulling oppressive shit”. Which are fine, fine themes, and really should be explored as part of the meta-narrative of the Social Justice community.
(by meta-narrative, a term I kinda just invented for the purpose, I just mean “talking about how we, as a community, approach / deal with / talk about things”)
Your concern, of course, is that the community is unaware of how all of this (Oppression Olympics, etc) affects it. This is, sadly, true far too often. However, I know some people have tackled these topics specifically (Kinsey, for one), so there is hope. We aren’t all completely in the dark about how petty and counter-productive a lot of this shit is.
I did want to elaborate on a few things from your post:
Some would argue that rich, white, cis gendered, straight, able bodied, straight men of sound mind have ALL the advantages, but that would presume that that person has suffered NO disadvantage or trauma EVER in their life.
It is important to remember here that disadvantage and trauma are not equivalent to oppression, they are only part of it. Oppression, by definition, requires that the disadvantages and traumas are caused by the systems of power put in place to elevate some people while lowering others. The rich, white, cis, straight, abled man very well may face effectively zero oppression.
Of course, he is a vanishingly small minority of the population. And usually, he is, in fact, the eponymous Man.
On the flip side, I suspect that the number of people who possess zero privileges is also vanishingly small, but I do not know for sure, in part because I am limited by my US-centric world view.
Some people argued that because it causes erasure of some groups, NO ONE should feel empowered by the phrase.
I missed the brunt of that discussion, but it seems to me that empowering yourself while dis-empowering or harming someone else is counter-productive. You’re dismantling one part of the Kyriarchy while holding another part up. A phrase that doesn’t dis-empower anyone would be more effective and less harmful.
This is actually strongly related to a post I recently made about reclaiming slurs. It’s not exactly the same scenario, but the same underlying problem exists - and it is murky ground, and I don’t have a good answer there.
But those disadvantages dont matter because I have X number of privileges
Anyone who claims that is playing the Oppression Olympics. “Oh, you’re not oppressed enough”. It’s bullshit, and it should be called out for the bullshit it is. Simple as that.
Now, there is some validity to the claim “you lack perspective on issue X because you are on the privileged side of the axis”. There are aspects of being trans that cisgender folks simply can’t comprehend. But that’s not the same as completely invalidating someone’s thoughts just because they aren’t “oppressed enough”.
What it does mean is that you should probably double-check what you’re saying before you comment on the experiences of a group you don’t belong to. Hell, even if you do belong to a group, think carefully before making generalized statements about the group.
Case in point: I was having a conversation with someone the other day about homelessness. He asserted that “all homeless people choose to be homeless”. He backed up this (blatantly false, as I can easily think of several counter-examples) claim by pointing out that he was homeless by choice at one point. He further asserted that “the dozens of other homeless people” he met during that time also all chose to be where they were.
There was so much fail I didn’t even know where to start. He generalized his experience as being universal, and supported it by claiming knowledge of the motivations of every other homeless person he met. I highly doubt he asked them individually why they were homeless, after all.
I saw things that I dont like. Things that have made me bitter about radical politics.
When you something you don’t like about a community or group, to my mind you have three choices:
Live with it.
Walk away from the group in question.
Work to change it.
1 and 2 are completely valid options; see the meme “You don’t have to be an activist”. 3, however, is the foundation of the entire Social Justice movement, and activism in general.
And truth, I see NO end in sight at all in this system. Especially if there are members who think that their shit never hits anyone else.
Keep telling them. Call them out every time you see it, and maybe they’ll eventually get the memo. That’s been my approach, anyway.
Once I get flamed I will more than likely back down from every statement I have made here, recant all of my opinions, concede that you are right and I am wrong
My recommendation: don’t let people bully you into backing down. If you get critical responses, read them, consider them, and only concede that you are wrong if the argument is actually sound and compelling.